Church wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:57 pm
You quite literally have nothing better to do with your time, do you? Don't twist my words, Alessio, it's boring and it's not helping your case and you know fine well what I meant by nitpicking. Crossing is already against the rules. Crossing covers
every single corner of this topic. It's not even ADVISED that people don't cross, it's explicitly against the rules that people don't cross. Do I need to narrow down the rules for this specifically? No. Crossing is a broader scope and if someone is crossing and using journal posts to upset you
come forward. They're crossing. It's against the rules already, we don't need to narrow that down for you.
Now, I've already been amicable and I've done my part in trying to see your viewpoint to which I've offered a viable solution. You just don't agree with it. As always, you want it your way. It doesn't matter to you if a majority of the people in the discussion you made don't agree with your way and I can promise you those writers have had the same thing done to them, too
That's all.
1. I'm watching Sopranos and RPing with two other people while doing this and sometimes playing MTGArena. And I think that expressing how I think that good people are needlessly getting hurt because of the environment that this community as a whole has created is worth a good portion of time. So, while I am doing other things, I don't necessarily think they're better.
2. I'm not even going to go into the crossing thing because we've discussed that at length.
3.
Church wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:57 pm
You just don't agree with it. As always, you want it your way. It doesn't matter to you if a majority of the people in the discussion you made don't agree with your way
Alex Ayres wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:04 pm
Anyway, among the people willing to speak openly about this problem, my perspective on it is clearly in the minority. I still hope that people have read this and it maybe changed their perspective on how they interact with others, as I think even in the things that were said that I disagree with, there were good points that were made, like if you're reading a journal and using that information, or letting it influence your perception of a character that's being talked about, you are crossing and are part of the problem, for example.
And maybe people will be more open to talking to someone before writing something about a character, even if it isn't a rule, just as a common courtesy.
Alex Ayres wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 7:38 pm
Based on the fact that you decided to call what I said "nitpicking" I'm going to guess you're tired of talking about this, and so am I. You've made it clear you don't think it's important that it's a rule. I disagree, I think it should be a rule and once the people in this community can behave like adults, it can be re-evaluated.
I've straight up acknowledged on two occasions that we don't agree on the rule I proposed, and on one occasion said I'm clearly in the minority, and ceded that it obviously will not be made into a rule. So I don't know where you get off saying "as always, I want it my way."
The things I said about the toxicity of the community and the culture of this community that makes it difficult for people to come forward is a separate issue and one that's true regardless of whether or not "have a conversation with someone before making up events that happened to their character" becomes a rule or not. This isn't about my way or not my way. This is about the reality of this forum.
4. I appreciate you being amicable for as long as you were. Thank you for the effort.
Grim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:01 pm
They can't monitor you like a child at daycare (and yes, I'm annoyed so I'm snappy but you're presenting everything like a court room case and going into unnecessary definitions of what everyone is saying; which is a very simple thing. Not enough man power for what you're asking.).
If you actually read what I said, I said that enforcing a rule is not monitoring. They are two drastically different things. I went into the definition of one word, nitpicking, so not what everyone was saying, and I did so because something that I put thought into saying was reduced to "nitpicking" when I didn't feel it was "nitpicking" at all. But you also read what I said to Lily as telling her that she should keep her journals she doesn't expect others to read as private, which is clearly not at all what I said. So I don't know if you're actually reading anything I'm saying, or just filtering the words I've said through your own lens, past experiences, etc.
Grim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:01 pm
But don't sit there and say the admins don't care. They take the time out of their busy ass lives to do what they can, unpaid. And have been offering viable solutions you keep shooting down as 'not caring'.
I didn't say admins don't care. I said the things that one admin is saying makes it appear to me that the well being of members of this community is not as high a priority as, in my opinion, it should be.
The viable solutions you are saying they provided is in reality one solution. And while they may perceive it as a viable solution, I've already expressed why, in my opinion, it is in fact not a viable solution. I'm also pretty sure it was just one admin, not multiple admins.
Grim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 02, 2019 8:01 pm
So frankly, I just find what you said rude. That is all.
This is where I would be using the "That's just like, your opinion, man" gif from The Big Lebowski, because I don't think anything I've said was rude. I believe it was blunt, but not rude. I think that after a long discussion on an issue that obviously means something to someone and reducing what they said in one of their posts they put time and effort into for other people to "nitpicking" is rude. But just because I believe it to be rude, doesn't mean that Church's player was actively trying to be rude, so I wouldn't let what my perception of what Church's player was saying change the way I would behave or speak to them. Thus I responded in the way that I responded in every other post in this thread. When I'm having a discussion about something that is important to me, I do my best to remove all emotion from my responses, only express what I believe to be true (i.e. the state of this community, how effective just telling people to come forward is, and the tone deaf nature of saying "just come forward" considering the behavior of this community in many OOC situations), and not put my own feelings or biases on what someone else is saying. I take what they are saying at face value and try not to assume they are being rude, have ulterior motives, etc. etc. If this comes across as rude to you still, after my explanation, so be it. I don't apologize.
That is all.