Alex Ayres wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:03 pm
-Stryker- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:59 am
The city is better off.
^^^ This is what's wrong with the community, not people like Alise.
Words like this prove the people who choose to leave are the ones who are better off. They don't have to deal with needless and senseless cruelty anymore.
Senseless cruelty? How's this for needlessly and senselessly cruel: I'm not really sure what woman
you've been putting up with, but I dare say it
wasn't our lovely, lovely Alise. Among her many splendid achievements:
Vex wrote:...tried to slip into every bed possible, never taken no for an answer, and was utterly incapable of defining/accepting boundaries with people...
Her behavior, in general, was cruel, wasn't it? She was an absolute torment. I do admire her tenacity and her ability to not let sleeping dogs lie and her endless enthusiasm for beating a dead horse. Nobody can do those things quite like Alise could.
I daresay you're not looking at any of this from Stryker's point of view. Perhaps he just needed to express his feelings somewhere: He has every right to be angry and vindictive and
cruel and to express those feelings. Anger is a very healthy emotion to feel. I'd say it's stifling the emotion of anger that causes those grocery store outbursts where the quiet and demure stockboy brings an automatic rifle to work and mows down friends, coworkers, and shoppers.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be pointing fingers at Stryker. Point all you want; I really don't care to defend anybody who gets fingers pointed at them. In fact, I'm here because we aren't pointing enough at Alise, who once trapped me in a closet at my shop for upwards of three hours, the pedantic little brute.
I wish I could have attended her funeral and given the eulogy. I would have said just that, 'She once trapped me in a closet at my shop for upwards of three hours, the little brute, and tried to kiss me on several occasions.'
Even after she was betrothed she'd come stomping into my shop demanding to know if I was jealous she was engaged. After I told her I wasn't jealous, at all, she continued this behavior over the course of a few weeks, stating that her only reason for intruding on my life and telling me I was jealous over and over, again, was because she was
bored. I'd say that was
cruel: Not because I was, in fact, jealous, but because her company causes great exertion. It's quite like trying to climb to the top of Mt. Everest when you haven't the stamina. She could only win a man over by submission to the terrible force of her insurmountable will.
I'll talk trash all I want about it and there's nothing you can do to stop me. Point a finger at me, next, I'm sure you'll find it's quite ineffective.
While I'm, by no means, a paradigm of proper behavior and I have my own sordid ways, let's not paint and veil the 'dead' with nostalgia and praise, just yet. It'd be better, really, if we didn't romanticize them at all. Romanticizing those who've passed on does nothing for anybody. I'm of the firm belief that eulogies should all end, 'And remember, they fucked and shat and cried and pissed and their noses ran and their bodies created mucous and they had pimples and made weird smells and they were all skeletous brambles wrapped in piggish fat.'
Also, I'm sure you'll feel quite silly about this foolish upstart in a few months when she's risen.
I'm also sure the occupants of Hell are finally getting their due suffering in ways no Devil could ever concoct, and when the pits of the underworld have spat her back out, again, she'll be wailing and complaining and kicking her legs and beating her little fists because she hasn't gotten her way.
I dare say we'll all go back to suffering the pain of her miraculous and pleasant behavior.
Despite your disinclinations, you're coming off as the marching, chanting, militant example of a co-dependency, aren't you? And then it seems you're trying to cover your tracks by poorly talking your way out of your inflammatory shit-starting. Kudos: You've all the beginnings of a positively serpentine narcissistic sociopath. When you've gotten a little better at it, give me a ring.
I think what's really wrong with this community is it's made up of
people, you know, and people are (as a rule) awful. The entirety of the whole human race should be done away with. God should scrap us and replace us with something beneficial. We're a failed science experiment, a petri dish of bacterial cultures at odds with one another, the raging shit filling the intestines of an angry creator and sooner or later, we'll be flushed away by some act of nature or our own hostilities.
But, you know...
Greyce wrote:Everyone is entitled to an opinion...
Even you.
Even if that stating that reprehensible little opinion isn't living by your own muddied principles, you hypocrite, but is instead shaming by the mere means of the simple
quoting a specifically-named person (Stryker) and calling him out independently for his behavior among the jury of his peers.
Judge not lest ye be judged, and all that melodious drivel.
Alex Ayres wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:05 am
I didn't fault Stryker. I didn't call him names.
But you did call him out, very specifically, didn't you? What does it matter if you're only talking about the language used or the actions, themselves?
You didn't exactly write a covert opinion piece that didn't point any specific fingers. I believe Marias was just as cruel as Stryker was, but you somehow didn't include Marias' opinion.
Marias wrote:'Oh No'
So, you didn't cover all those bases by shining a light on everybody's bad behavior. Rather, you've really singled a person out, haven't you? Stop denying it, you impetuous little scorpion.
There's a standard rule of thumb for pointing your finger at people: When you point your finger, there are three pointing back at you. This is a statement about the hand, but I'm sure you understand that. I wouldn't want to act presumptuous about your scope of understanding.
Alex Ayres wrote:...working on ways to better things in ways you can't and won't ever see or understand...
Darling, are you assuming the scope of my understanding? Are you putting yourself on some sort of intellectual pedestal? I'm sure it's much easier to look down on the people, to see them as a confederacy of dunces that stands against you, isn't it?
Alex Ayres wrote:And that may have partly been my fault.
Wherever there is a miscommunication, the fault lays between both parties: One for not asking for clarification, one for assuming, and one for not communicating with clarity and precision and asking if they're understood.
Alex Ayres wrote:I don't care about Stryker.
A paraphrase, but something we can agree on.
Alex Ayres wrote:How are what I said and the definition you posted different?
Greyce wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:24 am
Alex Ayres wrote: ↑Mon Dec 03, 2018 11:23 pm
Here, I do disagree. Cruelty isn't
only doing something with the intention of harming, but doing something and not caring whether or not it harms anyone.
cru·el
/ˈkro͞o(ə)l/
willfully causing pain or suffering to others, or feeling no concern about it.
in·con·sid·er·ate
/ˌinkənˈsid(ə)rət/
thoughtlessly causing hurt or inconvenience to others.
An example: Me making the font this large is cruel, not inconsiderate, because I did it knowing full-well people would be irritated and inconvenienced. The difference is a matter of intention.
Used in another sentence: Alise was inconsiderate, but she was also very cruel.
You aren't the Webster's or the Oxford, Alex, I'd suggest you do a bit of research on words before you go arguing about the semantics. You're being interpreted for exactly what you've said, not what you've meant. What you
mean matters only as much as what you
mean matches those terms and phrases which have been prior defined. You can't just go around attributing new meanings to words and calling it right. That's breaking the rules of the game. You have to find abstract words with obscure definitions, at best, and then argue over those. You're lawyering your way out of this all wrong. While I admire your intent, your performance is slightly below par. You're giving the snakes a bad name.
Aralyn wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:10 am
There's a whole lot more I could get into but I guess that was the thing that stuck out to me most.
Please go on. You're positively fabulous and I'd adore a good show.
All that being said, I'd like to make it clear I'm not defending anybody. I'm just here to demonize Alise, some more, because I'm a helpless victim and everything that's wrong with this community, then some. Typing all this was positively exhausting, at best, so if you have something else to say, don't expect too much of a response.