Nut Up November

[Kalika]

I keep out of City drama but I am tired of the condescending and demeaning responses to someone who is actually trying to put in effort. Example: See above.

I am certainly not defending Alex. I barely know the guy, and I don’t care what he does. But, he actually did respond to this thread in the exact way that was asked and he got shut down by multiple people. We get it. You don’t like him. But, the holier-than-though arrogance is just not it for me.

[Narcisssa]

My point is, it’s supposed to be the what are you thinking thread. It really doesn’t matter what others expect of people and we cannot police their posts based on that. Does it suck when people are indirectly making snide comments without context? Absolutely. And that’s why I said to call them out. Chances are, he will.

And believe it or not I actually don’t have an issue with Alex. You make a lot of assumptions about me considering you do not know me.

I find Alex fucking hilarious.

[Kalika]

My point is, it’s supposed to be the what are you thinking thread. It really doesn’t matter what others expect of people and we cannot police their posts based on that. Does it suck when people are indirectly making snide comments without context? Absolutely. And that’s why I said to call them out. Chances are, he will.

And believe it or not I actually don’t have an issue with Alex. You make a lot of assumptions about me considering you do not know me.

I find Alex fucking hilarious.

Thank you for your clarification.

[Alex Ayres]

I’m going to be very clear about this. Seyda does not owe you anything, least of all an answer to your ridiculous question.

Now run along and play for a little while. I’ll be along to finish what I started when I’m done with my current mission. Or stay in shadows for a month like you did before. Whatever floats your boat.

I'm also going to be very clear about this. I agree, Seyda doesn't owe me anything. But this thread is about expressing your problems, so I am expressing mine.

I should clarify that my problem isn't with Seyda. It's with this behavior/action. Ridiculing someone and then when they try to talk to you about it, stonewalling them. I think it's a problem, I think it's cowardly, and I think it's a small part of the problem that this city faces. I only used Seyda because my point about anonymously ridiculing people on WAYT would have seemed hypocritical if I didn't point out who I was talking about. As far as the other times it happened, it was years ago, and those people may have changed.


This is my opinion, shared on this thread where it was asked of us to nut up and express our problems.

Also, as far as "not moving for a month" goes, you're just straight up lying. I move every 2 or 3 days. And when you UV grenaded me, I moved that same day afterwards.

If you want to do it live, just let me know when you'll be hitting me, and I can expedite the process for you so you can hit me quickly, until you get bored or I run out of blood.

I'm guessing you have near infinite resources, and I have infinite time. I would just ask you don't get any holy water on my books.

So when you see someone doing this, quote them, and ask them to verify who they are talking about. Chances are they will simply respond with “it’s not about you” to project the idea that you are simply paranoid and hey, maybe you are. But by not stating who they meant, they may look weak.

Who knows? Who cares?

Personally, I’m not a fan when someone posts an entire book of what they are thinking, but who the fuck am I to weigh in?

Same point as above. This thread asked the city's denizens to nut up and express their problems, so I did. For the same reason as I just expressed above, I think this behavior is cowardly and is a small part of the problem this city faces.

As far as calling people out goes (for some reason I can't quote this):

"Re: WAYT [IC]
Post by Alex Ayres » Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:10 am

Very related.


How is passive aggressively calling someone out for being fake better than being fake?

Aren't you, in a way, also fake?

And doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

Why don't you tell us who is being fake?"


I used to do it all the time. It just doesn't change anything. I think I've been pretty consistent for the last 18 years. I'm very predictable.


As far as you weighing in goes, if you have a problem with people posting an entire book about what they're thinking, you can weigh in here! That's what this thread is for! Airing out your problems!

[Annabelle]

I’m going to be very clear about this. Seyda does not owe you anything, least of all an answer to your ridiculous question.

Now run along and play for a little while. I’ll be along to finish what I started when I’m done with my current mission. Or stay in shadows for a month like you did before. Whatever floats your boat.

I'm also going to be very clear about this. I agree, Seyda doesn't owe me anything. But this thread is about expressing your problems, so I am expressing mine.

I should clarify that my problem isn't with Seyda. It's with this behavior/action. Ridiculing someone and then when they try to talk to you about it, stonewalling them. I think it's a problem, I think it's cowardly, and I think it's a small part of the problem that this city faces. I only used Seyda because my point about anonymously ridiculing people on WAYT would have seemed hypocritical if I didn't point out who I was talking about. As far as the other times it happened, it was years ago, and those people may have changed.


This is my opinion, shared on this thread where it was asked of us to nut up and express our problems.

Also, as far as "not moving for a month" goes, you're just straight up lying. I move every 2 or 3 days. And when you UV grenaded me, I moved that same day afterwards.

If you want to do it live, just let me know when you'll be hitting me, and I can expedite the process for you so you can hit me quickly, until you get bored or I run out of blood.

I'm guessing you have near infinite resources, and I have infinite time. I would just ask you don't get any holy water on my books.

It’s fine if you have a problem with this behavior, but using Seyda as an example of this is not okay. She will not be answering you in this lifetime or any other, as she has the right to take this stance against someone who felt it was appropriate to assist two of the worst abusers this City has ever seen in convincing the City that SHE was the one abusing me.

[Alex Ayres]

It’s fine if you have a problem with this behavior, but using Seyda as an example of this is not okay. She will not be answering you in this lifetime or any other, as she has the right to take this stance against someone who felt it was appropriate to assist two of the worst abusers this City has ever seen in convincing the City that SHE was the one abusing me.

Actually, considering Seyda exhibited the behavior that I am saying I have a problem with, it is okay to use her as an example, seeing as she’s exhibiting the behavior that I am saying I have a problem with. If she doesn’t want me to use her as an example, then she shouldn’t exhibit the behavior. And referring to me publicly and ridiculing me does not qualify as “I’m not talking to you, so don’t talk to me.”

If you are publicly talking about or to someone, they are within their right to address what you’re saying. So again, don’t talk to, or about me, if you don’t want me to respond in kind.

That being said, if I’m not mistaken, the event you’re talking about is outlined here:

viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1387

In which, you left Seyda, bound to Malkavian, and Pea, dw, and others in their circle were chasing you and Malkavian around the city, hitting you with holy water, calling you a liar, and I stepped in and said that hitting someone with holy water because you’re upset they broke up with you is incredibly immature, and when someone said “Well Seyda isn’t doing anything we’re doing it on our own accord” I stated “these people are people who claim to love Seyda and are committing these acts out of love for Seyda. So she’s either asking them to stop, and they’re not listening, so I question their love for her, or she isn’t asking them to stop hitting Annabelle, and to me that makes her just as complicit in her silence.”

And assuming I am correct in this is what you’re talking about, the only thing I would do differently if I could go back in time with what I know now, is make jokes on Dama’s behalf.

Everything else I said about the way Pea, dw, Seyda, and etc. were behaving? All of that, I would say again today, no differently than I said it then.


They were hitting you because you lied and left her. If they were hitting Malk for being an abuser and not hitting you at all and I stood up then and defended Malk, and that’s what she had a problem with today, I would probably say today that that was a massive mistake and I should have never done it. Honestly, I don’t know first hand or even second hand what happened with Malk or how he behaved since that time, so that’s my only reservation. But assuming he was an abuser, then I would 100 percent call defending him a mistake.

But the funny thing is, Malk came to me during that time and thanked me for what I was saying in that thread. And if I’m not mistaken, my response to him was “I’m not defending you and I’m not defending Annabelle. I’m defending the fact that she’s allowed to leave a relationship and start a new one, and I’m just stating the obvious that the way this is being handled is incredibly immature.”

So if my sin was calling their circle immature for hitting you over and over again because you left the relationship and went back to Malk, then I don’t repent. I stand by that decision and would make that same decision again.


If my sin is making jokes on behalf of Dama, and in some way my defense of your choice to leave was perceived as defending Malk, I 100% repent for my actions towards Dama, and I don’t for perception and anyone’s perception that I was defending Malk. Because I wasn’t, and I can’t in good conscience repent for something I didn’t do.


But I do find it incredibly funny that their whole circle could find it in their hearts to forgive you, after all of the names they called you, all of the vials they threw at you, and how badly they claimed you hurt Seyda, but Seyda can’t find it in her heart to merely respond to a question because I said her and her friends and family were being immature… 5 years ago.


Anyway, thank you for clearing up for me what those sins were that I committed. I hope you and all of your family have a lovely day.

[ladypeacek]

But I do find it incredibly funny that their whole circle could find it in their hearts to forgive you, after all of the names they called you, all of the vials they threw at you, and how badly they claimed you hurt Seyda, but Seyda can’t find it in her heart to merely respond to a question because I said her and her friends and family were being immature… 5 years ago.


Anyway, thank you for clearing up for me what those sins were that I committed. I hope you and all of your family have a lovely day.

I think the sin here, is the misconception that you're owed something because someone else got it. I've known you a long time, and in any conversation where someone doesn't agree with your twisted logic, you hammer and hammer and hammer in hopes of coming out right on the other side. You've never reached out in hopes of mending some bridge, it's to force debate in which people have to give you more details, or explain themselves to you as if you are judge and jury of their choices. It's exhausting to dialogue with you, it's a carousel that never stops. This is why you get left unread.

I agree that this thread is for airing issues, but you don't get to throw out names and scenarios without accountability for what you say. Nutting up, doesn't mean you're right. Nutting up doesn't mean you win. Nutting up doesn't mean you have free reign to say what you want without consequence. In fact, I'd define nutting up as knowing you'll get ripped to shreds and still saying it anyways. So here we are.

Did it ever occur to you that Anna forgave *us* and not the other way around? Or even more novel, that we talked and we all forgave each other?

You have never earned a place in Seyda's life where she feels you deserve an explanation. That's the difference between you and Anna. That's why the situation looks different.

My biggest issue here, is folks who believe their ethics, morals, preferences, and choices are somehow the only ones that should exist. That they feel as if, everyone owes them a defense of the choices made, or owes them the energy to change their mind. That because they do not deem a reason or choice as worthy, then it simply isn't worthy. All in situations or events that don't even have anything to do with them, they're just stomping from the stands.

If you think something is said, vague and insulting, that's about you, rather than stalk people demanding answers, how about you reflect on your behavior and consider if you've actually done something to warrant said vague insult. If you have, fix it, if you haven't, then move along and ignore it, it's likely not about you.

[Alex Ayres]

If you think something is said, vague and insulting, that's about you, rather than stalk people demanding answers, how about you reflect on your behavior and consider if you've actually done something to warrant said vague insult. If you have, fix it, if you haven't, then move along and ignore it, it's likely not about you.

The fact that you read my posts, saw that I clearly didn't know what I had to reflect on because Seyda said that I was paying for my sins and I thought she meant posting a picture of Nigel Thornberry, are aware of the fact that I sent her literally one message and then used her actions as an example of the problem behavior I pointed out, and could say that I "stalked people demanding answers", is incomprehensible to me.

Also the fact that you could say "how about you reflect on your behavior and consider if you've actually done something to warrant said vague insult", knowing that I sent that message and clearly didn't know what i did, is incomprehensible to me.

The fact that you could say "how about you reflect on your behavior..." after reading an entire post in which I reflected on my behavior (and quoted part of it), is also incomprehensible to me.

I don't understand how you could make that post and have a genuinely good intention in posting it. On top of that, most of your concerns are very specifically and clearly addressed in my other posts.

For these reasons, I don't feel the need to respond to this any further.

Have a great evening.


I hope more people choose to "nut up" and share the things they have problems with. As you can see, it's very productive; and people won't just focus on a small aspect of what you've said that's actually irrelevant to the overall point you're making, because you used the actions of their friend/family as an example to your overarching point.

[ladypeacek]

If you think something is said, vague and insulting, that's about you, rather than stalk people demanding answers, how about you reflect on your behavior and consider if you've actually done something to warrant said vague insult. If you have, fix it, if you haven't, then move along and ignore it, it's likely not about you.

The fact that you read my posts, saw that I clearly didn't know what I had to reflect on because Seyda said that I was paying for my sins and I thought she meant posting a picture of Nigel Thornberry, are aware of the fact that I sent her literally one message and then used her actions as an example of the problem behavior I pointed out, and could say that I "stalked people demanding answers", is incomprehensible to me.

Also the fact that you could say "how about you reflect on your behavior and consider if you've actually done something to warrant said vague insult", knowing that I sent that message and clearly didn't know what i did, is incomprehensible to me.

The fact that you could say "how about you reflect on your behavior..." after reading an entire post in which I reflected on my behavior (and quoted part of it), is also incomprehensible to me.

I don't understand how you could make that post and have a genuinely good intention in posting it. On top of that, most of your concerns are very specifically and clearly addressed in my other posts.

For these reasons, I don't feel the need to respond to this any further.

Have a great evening.


I hope more people choose to "nut up" and share the things they have problems with. As you can see, it's very productive; and people won't just focus on a small aspect of what you've said that's actually irrelevant to the overall point you're making, because you used the actions of their friend/family as an example to your overarching point.

Maybe everything isn't about you?

Those last two paragraphs, sir, were what I have issues with in the city myself. And while I believe you to be guilty of it, they weren't directly related to just you.

Also, I'm pretty disappointed reading that thread, that you can't figure out what it was that you did wrong and actually believe it has to do with the picture. I thought you were smarter than that.

But the biggest question is, why on earth do you even care so much.

[Vex]

people won't just focus on a small aspect of what you've said that's actually irrelevant to the overall point you're making

This is literally what you do. Not only do you do this, you run rampant with it. The fuck?