How to: Kill a Legacy

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Seyda
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Fri Nov 22, 2024 4:44 pm

doncey wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:23 pm
Still, I gave it my all. I reached out to every member of the clan, except for ophelia, whom I rarely saw and never felt any fondness from.
Did you really give it your all if you were willing to talk to everyone except for the founding leader of the clan? Failure.

doncey wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:23 pm
So, when he stepped down, I believed that attack was imminent.
So you threw a tantrum that would put a three year old to shame, proverbially yelled FUCK YOU VEXIAN and threw at him, thus creating your own self-fulfilling prophecy. Failure.

doncey wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:23 pm
one thing my family has always excelled at is welcoming new arrivals to the city and helping the homeless. That’s what PoE did for years, and we were good at it. Ask Thing 1—maybe she’ll put her hatred of myself aside for a moment and confirm that fact.
Yet just about everybody that has come to us from that camp has had to have copious amounts of additional education because they do not know how to do basic things. You threw a fit about Ferry not being a warring clan anymore, yet you do not know basic things about war. Did you win a war as PoE? Did Ferry win a war under Liski with the exception of D'dary versus Everyone where RoR (aka MY legacy) carried the lion's share? Failure.

doncey wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:23 pm
I didn’t sire any recent graduates from the schools fresh out of graduation like some others
This was me. I sired James after he was fully powered. But at least I didn't fuck him to gain his loyalty like you and your ilk. Failure.

doncey wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:23 pm
all I wanted was for people to listen and stop being assholes.
And this right here is why Liski was a failure at leadership and why you currently are. The pair of you will anything BUT actually listen to the people you are supposed to be leading. You're so focused on getting whatever horseshit is in your brains out that you don't give a shit about anything else.

Both of you are failures because you do not understand that activity and engagement starts at the TOP, not the BOTTOM. You can't expect to sit on your ass, be practically inactive (and yes, I've spoken to some people as well) and then stomp your foot because nobody is listening to you. When I was a clan leader, I had my people report to me what their goals were, what they wanted to work on, what they wanted to learn, and that feedback is what set the strategic direction of RoR for the next 6 months. And what they got in return was a leader that worked just as hard as them at not only making the clan a success, but ensuring that each of their needs were met. When I felt I couldn't do that anymore? I got out of the way because the clan was more important than me. ophelia? ophelia understands servant leadership. Vex? Vex also understands the concept and I've watched him deploy this with my own eyes over the past few months. Regardless of your tenure with PoE, YOU were the rookie in that room, and you were too busy trying to get everyone to listen to you and taking your toys and going home when they wouldn't to recognize that fact. You have a lot to learn about leadership. You had two of the best right THERE to learn from. And you blew it up because of your own ego. Failure.

doncey wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:23 pm
I’m tired of being trashed daily.
Then stop saying stupid things. Failure.

doncey wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2024 10:23 pm
So, keep doing what you do best: tear people down until the bitterness is so ingrained it takes another decade to heal. That’s what this city does best, isn’t it?
Yet, it was okay when it was your side doing the tearing. When your side was doing the breaking. When your side was boycotting. When YOUR side shoved people out of this city in droves.

Ut sementem feceris, ita metes. Failure.
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Fri Nov 22, 2024 8:25 pm

I'll say it one more time for those that can not seem to understand. Our goal was not to teach every single aspect of the city to those coming through, but to insure basic understanding. We would have a hundred plus students in our halls at any given time. If I had flooded the city with those that had no understanding of the city, the general public would of lynched me. Once they were at a certain (very early) stage, they had the option of joining the city as a whole. Graduation wasn't even a requirement. There were welcome to study other aspects of the city once they were out and about and on their own or with other factions. All of that said is exactly why I wanted to work with the Angelarium because I was impressed with what they were doing. Their goals are completely different from the goals we had of insuring our city didn't wither and die.

Seyda, everything you went through the trouble of pointing out is expected. It's simply what you do. You point out others weaknesses and what you perceive as failures. Your elitist attitude is why you are so loathed. It's nothing more then typical Seyda rhetoric. You may continue beating your self inflation drum. There is nothing you can say to me, or many others for the manner, that we do not see right through and that you haven't stated a million times over. Your words are never going to hurt me.
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Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:27 pm

You've said multiple times here that you wanted to work with the Angelarium. That it was your intention to support it, guide new fledglings to it. Multiple times in this conversation alone.

I am slow to anger, doncey, but I, too, have my limits.

Allow me to be crystal clear.

I remember when you stepped into the Angelarium. I challenged you to a duel -- for fun, in the spirit of learning and of the space -- because I had previously asked you for one to clear the air after the last conflict ended. I was immediately hit with passive aggression. You apologized for it. I took that apology with the sincere belief you meant it, and that you meant what you told me when you said it was everything everyone had expected out of the University and more. We worked things out, we discussed how your gateway, as you described it, could point to the Angelarium as the next step of their integration. All your words. You said you'd attempt to make time to be more available -- to learn more, to spend more time there, to involve yourself. Baby steps. Open communication. That was mid August.

I haven't seen you there since.

I haven't heard from you since.

Did I reach out? No. Because I was there, in the Angelarium, building what I said I would. Connecting with NightWatch to start as the City's neutral supporting organization. Opening spaces for mediation. Teaching. Running the first City's War Games, which, even in spite of its failures, was a giant step towards finding better ways to navigate conflict and practical learning within the City. Even with how crippled my own bandwidth and ability to show up has been lately, I did and have shown up for the Angelarium, because it is something I truly believe worth the time and effort.

Remind me: what were you busy with again?

"And Fuck the Angelarium and all the pretentious pricks that run it. Nobody there has done anything but run me into the ground, why in hell would I want to work with them. I opened up communication with them and saw them do nothing but slam me at every possible opportunity."

Who runs the Angelarium? I do. My wife does. It is our home. That is it. Those who volunteer in the Angelarium, those who teach, those who speak their mind openly within their doors? Do not run it. You were offered to do the same. There isn't a process. There aren't approvals to seek. If you wanted to, you could, and not a single person would or would even have the power to stop you. In fact, we'd be glad to have more insight and opinions from different corners of the City.

As I told you in the last conversation we had in mid August, "To be clear: I would never allow anyone, let alone a fledgling, to be mistreated unnecessarily in the Angelarium. But the key there is unnecessarily. Sometimes, people learn through positivity, opportunity -- and some need to see the City bite back before they take it seriously. I won't shy away from that belief." As I told you, "I will defend those in my home to the death if the target on their back is unwarranted. But I want them also to fully understand this City, and that means learning to own consequences of actions, if necessary."

If you cannot face the consequences of how you have treated people, if you cannot swallow your pride enough to work in the same space as people who have valid reason to criticize and be wary? That's entirely on you to own. The Angelarium is my home, and I did not treat you that way, in spite of how hostile you were to me initially when you stepped into my home. I was nothing but kind and civil to you.

My organization is not your shield to hide behind.

I'd say I'd like that duel now, but you freeze the second you see me in the streets anyway.
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Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:36 pm

Anders wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:27 pm
I'd say I'd like that duel now, but you freeze the second you see me in the streets anyway.
Willa's such a lucky girl.

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doncey
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Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:43 pm

I'm super happy you guys all got a copy of a heated rant of mine to pass around the city and use against me anytime I speak. You're so welcome for that gift. And the reason I never bothered going back is because of the things being reported back to me, Everything from your cafe, to things mentioned in the classes and then edited out. The way those who work there, made it obviously clear, they have fuck all respect me and mine. Trust me, it wasn't very long after that first meeting I knew it was likely I would not be working with your staff. Be pissed if you want, reach your limit. What the fuck you going to do that's not already being done? All any of you seem to want me to do is me to cower, take the tongue lashing and ask for forgiveness. Ain't gonna happen bub.
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Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:49 pm

If you said it in anger, it means you were thinking it well before then.

As I said, no one works there. People volunteer. You have a problem? You can volunteer, too, to fix it. Change it. Speak to me directly. Did you? Did these people who seemingly had problems?

We -- the Angelarium, meaning my wife and I -- have nothing against 'yours'. I actually taught some of yours in the Angelarium. I'd encourage you to ask them yourself.

It's you.

Respect is earned, not given because you demand it or feel you deserve it. Members of your own family came into the Angelarium, earned it and then more, and have even shown up better in this conflict than you have. And she's a noncombatant.

I don't want you to cower. I want you to own your fuck ups, stop excusing things, and do something to show there's a man still in there worth respecting at all.
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Fri Nov 22, 2024 10:38 pm

Very enlightening read, Brom. Thank you for all the good reporting you do. I always learn so much about your subjects.
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Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:28 pm

doncey wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:43 pm
I'm super happy you guys all got a copy of a heated rant of mine to pass around the city and use against me anytime I speak.
Le gasp! We have the context! Now try telling us how ignorant we’re being again.

doncey wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2024 9:43 pm
All any of you seem to want me to do is me to cower, take the tongue lashing and ask for forgiveness. Ain't gonna happen bub.
I don’t think anyone has expected you to cower. I don’t personally think you’re owed an ounce of forgiveness either. I’m gonna do your favorite thing here, and repeat myself, a-fucking-gain.

This is about you being held accountable for the bullshit you’ve pulled. If you’d dig your head out of your arse for ten seconds and understand that you’d get a modicum of respect if you’d just fucking show it.

Yawa was more than correct. Apologies aren’t going to save you this time. You fucked around; now you’re finding out. What you should do, is what anyone who gets stomped in any fashion or amount of action in this city. Learn something and be grateful for the opportunity to grow.
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Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:46 pm

"Grow" Into what? Whatever perfect enlightened fucking mob mentality beings you all think you are? No thanks I want nothing to do with any of you. Here's an idea.... You want to get rid of me? Stop speaking to or about me, leave me the fuck alone and none of you will have to worry about me "growing and learning" because you're wasting your, and my time. I want nothing to do with any of you and certainly, will never see your way of thinking.
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Sat Nov 23, 2024 12:05 am

doncey wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:46 pm
"Grow" Into what?
Growth takes many forms and many shapes. What it means to you could very well be something entirely different to what it means to me or anyone else.

doncey wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:46 pm
Whatever perfect enlightened fucking mob mentality beings you all think you are?
I'm far from perfect. And Enlightenment is for fools who think they have no more reason to learn, grow, or change. Time necessitates change. This is an infalible law.

doncey wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:46 pm

No thanks I want nothing to do with any of you. Here's an idea.... You want to get rid of me? Stop speaking to or about me, leave me the fuck alone and none of you will have to worry about me "growing and learning" because you're wasting your, and my time.
This right here? Right shame. And says everything about you. When things aren't going your way, extradite you and yours from the community at large. Didn't Archangel try something like this? How did that go?

doncey wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2024 11:46 pm
I want nothing to do with any of you and certainly, will never see your way of thinking.
Yet here you are. Engaging still. It might seem mean. It might seem cruel. It might seem unjust. But what you're looking at doncey, is a community of people that care. You may just never understand their way of thinking, but people are still trying to get it through that thick ol' noggin of yours that you are welcome. There's nothing wrong with discord and thinking differently. I don't have any problems myself being the antagonist when I feel like life is stale. But it's a really dumb thing to think you can do whatever you want, and just get away with it with zero repercussions. You've got to know better than that in the very least.
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